Yelp and Its Discontents
Why does a simple review site drive people so crazy?
Robert's story is indicative of Yelp's main problem, which is what sparks much of the vitriol directed at the site. And that problem is that Yelp is a black box. Yelp's emphasis on "real people, real reviews" makes more sense now—surely, as Stoppleman and Co. designed the site, they realized how much control they'd have to exert over the content to keep Yelp from turning into the fundamentally useless Citysearch.com, which lists local businesses whose reviews all seem written by shills and cranks. Indeed, Citysearch has lately turned heavily toward editorial content, downplaying users' comments on the page. But with Yelp's emphasis on social networking, a similar approach isn't a viable option.
Even as Ichinose explained Yelp's need to keep its moderation standards a secret in order to prevent others from gaming the system, she admitted, "there isn't an easy solution" to balancing transparency with protecting Yelp's integrity. And commenting on another Yelp story, she wrote, "We've heard these requests and have begun to take steps to provide more clarity."
"The issues we face are not dissimilar to the challenges Google faces with Web sites who try to get the top search result spot," Ichinose told me. Indeed, when I researched a story on how Google works, I had to dig through dozens of engineering conference videos and whitepapers and, of course, an explanation of the patented algorithm that Google's (GOOG) founders developed while they were students at Berkeley. I looked at satellite photos of their data centers and compared their locations to the locations of trunk lines coming in from underwater cables leading to Asia and Europe. And I pieced together facts from interviews that explained how Google's servers are a Borg-like self-replicating, energy-efficient hive of distributed computing. When I assembled my article and tried to verify my findings with Google PR, it essentially told me I was on my own. And yet, despite its secrecy, Google is the largest search engine in the world and has raked in billions in advertising.
There just seems to be something more personal about Yelp dissing a beloved coffee shop than Google dissing a beloved blog, both by dint of low rankings and algorithms that attempt to weigh and score every bit of data on the coffee shop or blog that can be mustered. But Ichinose is basically right in that the two sites are fundamentally trying to do the same thing. One search for "Google optimization" will illuminate how many people are trying to "game" Google's system and helps explain why Google feels it has to keep much of its system a secret.
Yet Google has managed to seem more transparent and open to the general public. It does this both by giving helicopter-level explanations of how things work and clear explanations of how changes it makes to its systems might change the user experience. Yelp would do well to study Google's approach, to let businesses know how and why their ratings suddenly dropped, and to let users know their review was banned. Perhaps Yelp should also provide some clear mechanism for a human-based override. This is all especially relevant since Google has lately reworked its own social local-business review listings, seemingly to compete with Yelp.
Lastly, many small businesses still shudder not at the mention of Yelp but at the mention of the Better Business Bureau, and all over the Internet are stories similar to this one. Coming from that world, Yelp is already a great leap forward in transparency; after all, the BBB won't accept complaints about itself, but anyone can go here and complain about Yelp. But Yelp has had some stumbles that have created both legitimate complaints and fodder for those who wear tinfoil hats.
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YELP in HELL
YELP in HELL!
We pray YELP goes bankrupt and sinks to the bottom of hell, and takes
its MAFIA YELPERS with them. We pray that GOD shows no mercy for all
the emotional damage and EXTORTION they have inflicted upon small business owners and
the children they support. YELP is a den of snakes and deserve to BURN
for the lies and slander they spread on the world wide web.
PRAY PSALMS 140 FOR THEIR
DESTRUCTION!
Say five times: "Archangel Michael destroy YELP today!"
The larger issue
Yelp: The name itself is irritating to me, as it typifies the "everybody's-famous-for-15-minutes" mania that has taken over this country. Anonymous people able to post whatever self-important bleatings they wish, and perhaps decimate the reputation of a good business, with little opportunity for the business to defend itself.
I never liked like the tone of the communications that come from Yelp, and that was before reading the claims of behind-the-scenes manipulation.
There is something undeniably creepy about the accelerating trend of companies tracking so much personal information about so many people... the secret algorithms.... the manipulating of data to influence consumer choices.
I'm hardly a conspiracy buff, but anytime there is a system from which someone stands to make large amounts of money by gaming it, you can guarantee someone will be trying to do just that.
The ACLU commercial about ordering a pizza and being chided for one's cholesterol level, which seemed far-fetched, gets more believable every day.
Yelp
Since being banned from Yelp my coffee blog has sky rocketed in popularity both from the banning as every loves a little controversy, but also and more importantly people see that you can't review a business in 50 words and a star rating.
Their is a reason Journalist would do food reviews of 300 - 500 words. Because when you write that much you real feelings about the place are revealed. For example the Yelp reviewed the Vancouver Public Library.
http://www.yelp.ca/biz/vancouver-public-library-vancouver-14#hrid:1ToqNr...
They give this building 3 stars and states: Pros: Pretty sweet looking architecture Good place to take pictures. Haven't actually gone inside, but it looks Huge. Cons: None
How can yelpers possible review something they haven't even gone inside! How many things is she reviewing without going inside? Now the VPL downtown is a awesome place that is full of wonder and adventure! But sadly lacks restroom facilitates for the amount of people who come to enjoy it.
Again this has nothing to do with the VPL but more the quality of the review.
When I review a cafe I go three or four times over the course of a week and spend almost twenty bucks in coffee to make sure I have seen the cafe at all times of the day. To do an review also take me about 4 -6 hours from start to finish. And everything I have heard from my users is they love the detail of any post, if gives them a real sense of the cafe as a typical patron would see it.
You just can do that in 50 words or less. You can read more about how we review here: http://coffeevancouver.ca/our-mantra/
Aside from being banned a lot of my issue with Yelp and what I have heard from other users is their reviews just don't hold any weight, any authority or professional knowledge.
Regards
Robert Dall
Author / Owner
Coffee Vancouver
http://coffeevancouver.ca