If You Knew Suze Like We Know Suze

If You Knew Suze Like We Know Suze

You wouldn’t listen to her advice.

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America is a free land and

America is a free land and pressing ur views is something that is rightfully urs if someone does not subscribe to one's view either do not frown over it or then be a good critic and voice your views in a proper manner. This will make for an excellent debate.

Jealousy and Envy

What's wrong with dollar cost averaging and investing in stocks? Taken in context, Mr. Scurlock, nothing. This article is weak on facts and only seems to point out how envious the author is of Suze's fame and fortune. What do you care what she does with her money? Why does that matter, because her situation is different from yours, which is different from mine? It appears she has accumulated enough money to live the lifestyle she has chosen, so I say more power to her. The quote about why people might get into debt followed by a description of her lavish lifestyle is a complete non sequiter. I think her quote is valid: some people who grow up poor end up getting into debt as adults because they want to make up for what they didn't have. I get that. But to compare that to her situation makes no sense. I agree that Suze has a large bullseye on her chest, but Mr. Scurlock has woefully missed the mark.

Dollar cost averaging

actually "Dollar Cost Averaging" usually works well. But it is NOT a guarantee of profits. The reason is that in most world stock averages, there is once or twice a century an enormous drop. So that is possible that you have a 80% drop following your retirement. So it is quite possible that stocks double from here over the next 10 years, then sell off for the next 15, as an example. There is no guarantee that you will be profitable "over the long term". If I have not explained this well, email popcycle4@gmail.com and i will send you more evidence that stocks are not SURE.

looking good in green

"bottle blonde"? What does that have to do with anything she says or does? Ouch. You're looking good in that shade of (envy) green.

God bless you and keep up the

God bless you and keep up the good work.

THANK YOU, I'm SO SICK OF SUZE

James Scurlock, I don't know very much about you, but I came across this article and it is about time someone sized up Suze. Her information is not always that great and her attitude and voice are so annoying and a drag. I swear her nose is so far up her butt you would have thought she made the word Finance. I love Oprah but Suze style is just piss-poor pathetic. Why doesn’t Suze and Oprah start doing something that will really help people with no job, no money and debt, GIVE THEM SOME MONEY. Suze really needs to tell everybody that yes, she did make money in the stocks, but she became a Millionaire selling books and tapes and if you want a get rich quick scheme, get a late night infomercial. She is two botox infections and one pant suit away from coming on right after Jack Lalanne. Some one should quiz her real finance knowledge, ask her how to hedge the financial debt in the international stock market. Maybe she can fix the enconomy!

Good and Bad

Not all advice Suze gives is bad, but not all of it is good either. In the process of accumulating examples for a book, I've watched and noted specific advice Suze has given which is just plain wrong.

One caller wanted to help a friend with bad credit obtain a car loan so they could drive to work. Suze said don't cosign, instead buy the car, provide the insurance and let the friend make payments to the caller. Any insurance person in the world will tell you this opens up an incredible can of worms in the insurance area.

On a recent segment (April 2009) she took issue with other investment professionals who criticized her, by name, for suggesting people buy municipal bonds a few years ago. At the time the stock market was hot and bonds looked kind of dowdy. As it turned out, she was actually giving good advice and people would have been better off investing as she suggested. What she did not confess is she was guilty of the same thing herself in the late 1990s, as documented in the book Bull! 144 Stupid Statements From The Market’s Fallen Prophets by Greg Eckler & L.M. MacDonald. So, if you'd followed her advice all along you'd have been right 50% of the time.

She's also told people to buy individual bonds instead of bond mutual funds and then, when a caller asked about an individual bond she had purchased Suze told her she had purchased the wrong kind of individual bond. (Everyone knows the difference between a municipal and revenue bond, right?)

As I said, some of what Suze says is ok, but some is not. Make sure you sort it out before you implement it.

Miss Suzie

Amazed. That is the only word I can think of to describe my response to your article on Suzie Orman. First, it reflects my feelings towards her self-attained status as a financial guru and even more strongly my amazement that you were willing to publish your story. I thought it was real reporting about a "sacred cow" (no pun intended) that greatly needed a little sunshine on it. I applauded not only the quality of the article but even more so your courage to print it. Well done and thank you. Sincerely, Jerald

This is just another face of

This is just another face of the Oprah machine. She and "Dr" Phil and that Best Life Bob guy and James Fry are all part of the same problem. We want a magic bullet to fix the complex issues in our lives so we turn to the people who offer the easy answer. Instead of going to a medical professional to discuss treatment options to resolve emotional issues we might have we watch "Dr" Phil for a few hours a week and listen to him yell at us with his "get confident stupid" approach. Suze Orman is no different. Rather than studying the complexities related to financial instruments and products in order to make an informed decision about how to invest our money we want someone to yell it to us from the idiot box. Then we want to hear that we are broke because we need to get beyond our emotional hang-ups that stop the wealth from pouring in. Sounds to me like a move to distract us from the fact that Orman and her corporate overlords are getting paid millions for work that doesn't really have much value. If you want to know what products you should buy you can just watch Oprah with her endless stream of "favorite product" shows and shows about how great Oprah is. Perhaps we as a culture should starve all of these fools for ratings and profit by just doing a little work of our own. I also wanted to respond to an earlier comment about sexism in the article. While it's true that the identifying comments about Orman are unrelated to the finance issues around her, they are the sort of comments often used by Orman (and Oprah) to play up the idea that she should be listened to because she used to be something like the stereotype of a lower-class American woman. Orman furthers these stereotypes in her attempts to create the illusion of empathy for her viewers.

Sick of Suze

I always had that awful feeling that something about Suze's pitching was too plastic, too smooth, too easy. They sounded like those preachers who offer to tell us about the way to heaven while they taste of the forbidden fruits here on earth. I am so sick of this awful "you've got to fight your fear of being rich" stuff that I could just upchuck right now--AND I'm a real psychologist. Isn't it wonderful how she doesn't follow her own advice about investing and how glibly she hawks her products never thinking of the damage she's doing to all those people who BELIEVE in her? Just too precious for words, Suze, too precious for words.

and Suze Orman's Organize and Protect Financial System

"...and Suze Orman's Organize and Protect Financial System ($66 plus S&H; Easy Pay! Installment plan available)." What I'm surprised you didn't acknowledge is that she is essentially advocating purchasing something you don't have the money. Why offer installment plans if your goal is to help people manage their money better? Wouldn't it be smarter to SAVE $66 plus S&H than to spread it over time???

This is a valid critique of market orthodoxy, as preached by any

Hey James, Glad to see you back in the ring taking on the financial orthodoxy - kind of surprised you're taking such a hit in comments. most people seem to miss the salient points for your description of Orman - I thought your personal description came off a little harsh, but you are evaluating a 'feeling' persona in a man's game (the fact of the game being rationalisticly manly probably disturbs some) wasn't much hard lit as the typical New Yorker characterization. Fact is, most Americans - especially the financially 'minded' are absolutely straw men - I'd say sissies but I'd get sexist - when it comes to any challenge to the status quo: a house of cards all around. I think if Orman and her disciples are a victim of anything, it's subscribing to the orthodoxy just as it's turning from apparently solid, to indefinitely mush.

women and money

This article disappointed me in myriad ways - but I will focus on its sexism in this comment. I won't be the first reader to flag its fetishizing of Orman's "bottle-blonde" hair, her former job as a waitress, her odd self-characterization as a virgin (but interestingly NOT her status as an out lesbian and advocate for gay marriage rights). Not one of these identity labels is relevant to the financial advice that Orman provides; however, every one of them is gendered. The implication, of course, is that Orman must be a bimbo with nothing of value to say about finances because she is a.) a woman who does something to alter her appearance cosmetically, b.) a woman who once occupied a "pink collar job", and c.) a woman who chooses to discuss her own sexuality in unconventional ways. All of these objections to her advice can be boiled down to the following: she is a woman. Never mind the fact that part of Orman's professional program is to provide financial advice TO women who have previously been discouraged from managing their own finances (either directly, through educational programs that slated women into Home Economics rather than Econ 101, or indirectly, through subtle cultural messages that suggest the financial markets are for men only). Whether or not you agree with the details of her advice, a better and more balanced way to critique Orman's financial bonafides would be to acknowledge the service that she is (at the very least) trying to provide to an underserved majority of the population. This is not a market which she is trying to exploit. This is a demographic to which she belongs. Of course, by the logic of this article, that is the problem.

Seriously!

I sincerely hope NO ONE actually takes this article seriously. It couldn't be any more inaccurate and transparent. Let's see, an unknown blog writer takes a few shots at not only one of the most effective and prominent players in this space, but an obviously good person with good intentions as well, simply to get himself and his website on the radar screen. Nice try James, but it's no coincidence that Suze has millions of fans who love her and have benefited from her advice. The indisputable fact is, she has helped a lot of people...and by the way, she doesn't need a PhD in finance to be able to give good, sound advice, regardless of whether or not some of it is common sense. Sometimes, people just need to hear it and as far as I am concerned, she is doing a great job of communicating the simple stuff and the complex issues. More importantly, while I suspect Suze does make a very comfortable living, I feel that her motives and intentions are genuine and she deserves to prosper as a result. She should not have to apologize, or take this kind of abuse because she is financially successful. I certainly don't see any greed in the equation. Not when she gives away millions of copies of her book for free and turns down millions of dollars in endorsements. The few commercial relationships in which she does participate, seem to be for products or services that are very beneficial for her fans. Finally, if you're going to try to knock someone off the top of the hill for your own benefit, next time make sure you get your facts straight. If you were really listening and heard what I heard, she saw this coming a long time ago and warned us on a number of levels. Your manipulation of the truth and this lame attempt to get yourself into the spotlight is the real insult to our intelligence.

Where Do I Begin?

Is this supposed to be an article on personal finance or a listing on match.com? Your first paragraph is a weak attempt to reduce Orman to nothing more than a phony old maid. How many of your other articles begin with a physical description of the subject along with an assessment of their virginity? I agree that Orman often comes across as a wanna be psychologist. I happen to agree with a lot of her views on the relationship between people and money, but I'm not looking to her to be my therapist. And while often I can't tell the difference between Orman and Kristen Wiig's impression of her on SNL, I realize Orman is meant to be entertaining, and she is. We wouldn't watch otherwise. That said, your article was grossly misleading on many levels: Orman's mantra is people should live within their means. What she spends her money on is irrelevant--she can afford it! She's not in a position where she needs to grow her nest egg; she just needs to protect it. So her investments should be different than the average person, because she is not the average person. You say Orman "blames the victim" which is another way to say she is strongly in favor of personal responsibilty. One reason people get into debt is they are in denial about what they can afford. When people do that, they are not victims, they've made poor choices. They need someone to point the finger at them to get them to examine their spending habits. Dollar cost averaging is not about investing in companies that are doing poorly and throwing good money after bad. Suze Orman would never advocate doing that. It's about picking solid investments and buying them at set intervals so you will pay an average price rather than timing the market so you only invest at peak times. Anyone who has watched Orman's show knows that she tells her listeners to be suspicious of any advisor who stands to make money off the advice they give. I'm sure she would lump herself into that category and encourage people to do their research before buying a product she has advertised. But she would be crazy not to make money off her name--Orman is a businessperson. That doesn't mean her products are any less useful. Your article comes across as a personal attack and leaves me wondering what personal vendetta you have against Orman. Comparing her to Bernie Madoff is ridiculous and irresponsible. It would serve you well to get over Orman's on air persona and listen to the substance of what she is saying, boyfriend.

Maxed Out - watch the movie !

James - this article reminded me of the documentary Maxed Out and lord behold! it was you who directed the film. Now that makes sense why you don't like her. Suze Orman and Dr. Phil are both the same - their advice appeal to the mass media (only Mr. Phil is not a lesbian).

Hacks

Very informative! I've never heard of James Scurlock and have studiously avoided learning anything about Suze Orman. I can now say for sure that I hate both of them! A treasure trove of intellectual laziness.

James, you are a joke!

James, let me start by saying I enjoyed your 2005 docu "Stumped". James, you have made an absolute joke of yourself in this article, bashing Suze Orman. Like all television "advice givers" (Dr. Phil, Oprah, etc...) Suze is a millionaire. It comes with the territory...aka success! The quality that makes them successful is that they offer advice to the everyday citizen that is derived from there "less advantages" days. You are apparently glib to the American condition of the past 4 years. We all lost money, James! You sound like a bitter man that is looking for scapegoat...in this case...Suze Orman. If we were all millionaires, we too would have had our money in very secure investments (it would be stupid not to). But to your apparent oblivious view...there are a lot of people who believed, and still believe in American capitalism (aka. the NYSE) Where was your money James? Are you blaming Orman for the market crash, or was your money tucked away in a government protected Red Wood Tree in Oregon? You are a bleeding heart liberal, James. But hey, at least you have the right to make your idiocy public. Thank god for that...you're a joke.

Orman's advice

She's a fraud. A modern day snake oil salesman. She's brave enough to get rich off others' stupidity. What a scam...

Stock market advice

As someone else has noted, she advises people not to put money in the stock market that they are going to need within the next 10 years. I use 5 years as a rule of thumb, but anyway, the point is that she is NOT telling everyone to invest in the stock market. She regularly cites other investment vehicles that are safer than the stock market for people to invest savings. I do think this article gives a distorted view of her advice, at least as far as her TV show goes (I've never read any of her books or bought any of her products; except for a software program to help draft powers of attorney, wills and trusts, which is a very good piece of software). Yes I do find her to be sometimes a bit annoying and her advice sometimes is a bit cloying and "Dear Abby"-ish. And I wouldn't necessarily take her advice on everything; I put in the mix with other sources of information. But overall I think she does a pretty good job.

Personal bankruptcy causes

Not to diminish the shrill and sheer awfulness of Suze Orman to anyone with half of a cerebrum and ears, but the latest and most methodologically sound bankruptcy study suggests that catastrophic events are only the nail in the coffin for people who spend beyond their means throughout their lives: http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/02/what_causes_persona...

Thanks

That's a great point!

Scurlock on Orman

James Scurlock, I started reading your article today, "Stop listening to Suze Orman," on the MSN Money web page expecting to gain an informed opinion. The first paragraph told me all I needed to know about you. Your ugly attempt to belittle the lady based on her "bottle-blond" hair, a "former waitress and self described 55 year old virgin" was resprehensible! You immediately destroyed any sense of authority or respectability as a --whatever you are-- to judge anyone or to be taken seriously by discerning, informed readers. I quickly learned that I don't care what you have to say about anything based on that first paragraph! Step back and read it again. It's obvious you have a very strong dislike of anyone you find charming; you are disarmed and threatened by it. It annoys you and makes you cringe to see someone like Suze Orman so happy and in control of her destiny. Perhaps the problem is, you don't feel that way about yourself. I am not a follower but I respect this very pretty, well prepared and informed lady. She obviously is an excellent and intelligent speaker. You owe Ms Orman an apology for being so unprofessional in your personal attacks! You definitely convinced me to "Stop listening to James Scurlock".

Comonow!

The only thing that has tainted my opinion of her advice is that only recently she admitted that the stock market is NOT the way to go right now. She is right - IF you have money to risk (it's the same as gambling in Vegas) and IF you can leave it in for 10-20 years, then go ahead. Actually, probably the most knowledgable guy is that hyper screamer with the Dr. Phil hairdo on TV. He said a long time ago to liquidate and put your money somewhere SAFE. The rest of this article sounds like jealousy - of her success - or is it a suitor scorned?

suze suze

I'm not a Suze Ormon fan. I saw her by accident while surfing TV channels couple of years ago. She was telling a personal story about how she, as a child, wwould sneak in and steal money from her mothers purse. Instead expressing regret for her behavior, she portrayed it as a cute thing that all kids do, and expected her mostly female audience to giggle about it along with her. Although some in her audience did chortle along with her, I, and I'm sure many of them, were appalled. The fact that she, admittedly, was a thief as a child and still thinks that stealing from her mother is funny, tells me that she is a basically dishonest and opportunistic person. This is before the news came out about her secret life as a closeted lesbian. So as not to be overly critical, having a few little character faults probably doesn't matter when it comes to getting rich. Like the man said in the movie 'Some Like It Hot', "Nobody's perfect!" She seems to have done very well for herself financially. Maybe she's a better role model than financial maven.