So now they are thinking about legalizing marijuana for financial reasons? What happened to the ethics of keeping it illegal? I am confused here. I am a supporter of marijuana legalization but I can't help of wondering how pointless it's illegality really is. After all the controversies gravitating around the drug apparently it's a matter of money, not ethics. Don't we have some smart politicians out there... Darrie, International Oddities
Brittanicus... illegal immigration is a direct result of American consumerism. Think about your own actions before blaming others. You encourage those who seek better job opportunities by purchasing products from the company's that hire them. America was built on immigration illegal or not.
SANCTUARY STATE OF CALIFORNIA! Why do you think this state has a $40 + billion dollar budget deficit? Because the Mayors of San Francisco and Los Angeles are pandering in government benefits to 3.7 million illegal aliens? Nothing is going to change until Californians demand the Federal E-Verify mandate. To long Taxpayers have been crippled by paying for free health care, education and a overloaded prison system. Governors Email: http://gov.ca.gov/interact or Phone: 916-445-2841 California State Legislature: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/yourleg.html Vote for WALTER MOORE as MAYOR FOR LOS ANGELES, as he against ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION and will KILL Special Order 40 and allow police to question a persons immigration status. WE THE PEOPLE, must decide our future? We can only blame ourselves if we sit and do NOTHING?
I agree that pot should be legalized. I'm a libertarian so I think all drugs should be legalized. There will be some good and some bad effects. Deal with it.
The author kind of glosses over one point. If marijuana is legal that $6000 pound of marijuana will no longer be worth $6000. It is the prohibition that forces the price that high.
If culivation no longer needs to be clandestine the plants will be grown on huge farms using the most modern of methods. So the price will drop considerably.
The State might want to tax it severely to jack the price back up to the prohibition levels since the market has shown that it will accept that price.
I am all for it but I do see one possible problem. Would it be legal to grow or just to have and use? Marijuana can grow wild just about everywhere and for the plants that are grown in a persons windowsill how would that be taxed? I don't see this as a big problem as the people that grow crops in their yard would have to claim any that they sell or the crop that is grown in fields would have to sell to a store for resale and taxed. Another idea, not just legalize Pot but Hemp that would be grown for commercial reasons. There are a vast number of uses but it can be smoked as well, you just can't get high off it, but it could be used as a tobacco substitute like other herbal cigarettes.
I totally agree with most of the individuals that have replied to this article. Marijuana, "POT", whichever one you would prefer to call it has one of the major roles in our society today. But my personal overall opinion about weed is that it should be legalized. I understand that they are many things that the government would have to consider, but it could be a major booster for our ecnomy. It seems to me that a lot of things that in this world are very backwards. There are a toll of car accidents, murders (including suicides) and other crimes that are committed because of one's addiction to the alcohol and other legal substances. Alcohol is one of the most poisonous drugs that there are in this world. I, myself, am a drinker with self control. The majority of the world smokes pot, and yet you really have not heard of anyone overdosing or have of the things that hear related with alcohol. It all ties back in to self-restraint and discipline. Also, the government will try and place a taxation on the weed, but it will not be possible because of the various sources. I think that it should be legalized, therefore it would finally make it easier for the CRIME STOPPERS to fill the jails and prisons with things of more concern!!!! you should not get more time for drugs than murder.
I'm 60 yrs old & have been smoking herb since I turned 19 yrs old. That's quite a long time. And as for being addicted to it . I'm not at all addicted. I have never used it at a work place or during work. I have never used it while driving.I have only used it as a relaxing
moment after a hard day of labor. It helps me to go to sleep at knght. I have cancer ( not affiliated with smoking ) but from asbestos. It keeps me calm and not stressed out .And out of 41 yrs of use My lungs are as pink as a new baby's lungs. I have never missed a day of work because of smoking it. I have only applied for unemployment one time in my life. I have quit smoking it 3 times for over 4 yrs at a time. So all you educated people who know so much about this herb. It's not a drug.It's a great herb that all should try once in life.
Let's follow the CA legislature's example and legalize Prostitution and Dopes. If it's good enough for politics it's good enough for the state. Maybe the state can make as much money as the CA government.
I believe many people really do not have a full understanding or even the slightest clue as to what "pot heads" or whatever you want to call us beliefs lie. It seems for the most part every one has their own preconceived notions that will only hold ground to their beliefs. If you would like to really know where our stance lies on the topic of legalization it can be found at norml.org. Set aside from norml, I believe many individuals are not addicted to marijuana. They may find a void in their life, concision or unconscious decision and seek refuge. Marijuana appears to have become a fast track. This may incline a person to seek a further absence from society (leading to harder drugs) but to claim that marijuana is the solo or main reason is profound. These cases do not start with the drug but with the individual in itself. And it would not surprise me if in these cases that one of the parental figures is absent or better yet incarcerated. Is it within reason that one of the parental figures is incarcerated for marijuana charges? Surely, but is that the majority? Far from it but without a doubt our prison system is loaded with petite marijuana offenders. Thanks to our tax payers and an over crowed prison system, our governments' priorities do not lie with the future but with the current containment of drug offenders. We will continue to go in circles until the bigger question is answered. How do we improve our standards and way of life so these individuals in the first place are not trying to escape? By putting all sights and aims on marijuana has proved little progress. Our way of life in the United States is at a teetering point; it must be answered. In my opinion the reason the United States is such a great place to live in is that we can be so effective when we put our heads together that we can truly produce something amazing. But for execution and follow through it is all for shit. Charlie Wilson said it best after our use for the Middle East was consumed, “We fucked it up.” And now we wonder why tensions are so high. Poor leadership yields poor outcome. And it will continue and continue because the one thing that resigns above all: Everyone holds their own preconceived notations that will only hold ground to their beliefs. You have your mind made up; I tend to keep mine open and as cliché as it may sound, smoking pot helps. Hope you enjoyed ;)
I agree with you, enjoi017, there are a lot of people that already have their mind set and not willing to change them. I too have an open mind although I too have have my mind set but open to listening to other ideas. I have heard that pot helps in keeping an open mind but there is trend growing that pot helps to see past the smoke and mirrors of the hypsters that try to use unfounded scare tactics and BS to get people to think and believe their way. Its the same way with second hand smoke and Cigars and Pipe smokers which is vastly different then cigarettes.
Has anyone noticed that in Europe where drinking is not mystified like it is here in the US that they have a lower rate of alcoholism? The same stands true for smoking pot in Amsterdam. In the US we have made certain things such as marijuana (among other drugs) and alcohol more appealing by restricting them. Children think they are being cool by experimenting with these items at a young age because there is a mystery to them. The younger the children start using these substances, the more likely they are to have problems with the substances or try other drugs later in life. Why not take away the appeal and decrease the number of addicts in the next generation? Besides some very dangerous substances are perfectly legal in the US. We have generations of pill poppers and alcoholics and no one has restricted those items.
I see a lot of people on here just saying how pot is a gateway drug and it makes people like zombies and you cant hold a job. I have heard all this before when I smoked when I was in college. about 80% of the kids in college smoke occasionally or all the time. I personally smoked every day and I held a job for years while I went to school. I also went to school full time and got good grades and so did 90% of my other friend who smoked every day. the only reason i quit is because I needed a job after i graduated. After smoking every day i quit cold turkey and have never smoked since. i don't crave it or anything. I would never smoke and risk loosing my job. All of my other friends i have kept in touch with have done the same. All the people who sit there and talk about how bad it is are always the people who never smoked all the time. the first week or so of smoking does make you a zombie but after the first week your fully functional. as far as them making it legal It could be done they would just have to regulate the driving by making a limit and finding away to test it. How is smoking any different than drinking if its done in moderation. 98% of Americans illegally drive drunk at one point in time and take that risk im sure it would be the same with pot but the penalty would have be just as strict as dwi.
What he fails to mention in the article are additional savings from a move like this:
According to a 2005 study 2/3s of the prison population in California are for NONVIOLENT drug offenses. This means no guns, no assault, no murder, just possession/possession with intent to sell etc. This does not account for the vast numbers of people in the parole system which, because of felony nonviolent drug charges are prohibted from being able to seek meaningful employment.
In 2005 there were 168,000 inmates incarcerated in the state of California. This equates to approximately 110550 people in CA that are imprisoned for nonviolent drug offenses.
The average cost (not counting health care/education/etc) for keeping a person in a California prison is in excess of $45k per year. This means that the CA state taxpayer pays $4,974,750,000, per year. Not counting recurring costs of maintaining these prisons, the payroll of all officials, and the bloated contracts that are tied into it. Not to mention the state welfare payments etc that are made. $5 Billion dollars, per year.
We most likely, given the above numbers could cut off btw 5 and 10 billion dollars from the state budget deficit. When we look at different surveys (which are of course incomplete and not 100% accurate) some 20% of adults in the United States smoke mj on a regular basis. If that were what it is in California (I would wager CA is a bit higher than the national average :P) we are looking at over 6 million adults that recreationally use the substance. If the state could get $500 per user per year thats $3 Billion dollars.
Then all of the infrastructure that goes into it and the non inhibriating uses for the plant and it could well cut the deficit in half, if not more.
and btw. No, I do not use any drugs, I am not high and have not been so for nearly a decade now. Though I have been a strong supporter of the legalization of this substance for over 20 years :)
I believe that it should be legalized through the United States, It would make money for all states and help with the budgets for all when they let out the people in jail for pot crimes, I use to like to smoke to help me sleep at night, my husband had to give it up because of drug testing at his jobs , now he is an alcoholic, because he had to change his drug of choice so that we would not lose everything if he failed a drug test. My husband is a better person when he is high compared to when he is drunk, he never got mean when he smoked and he was very creative and got a lot done , now that he is a drunk he does not get as creative and his mood swings are bad, he is a functioning alcoholic , I wish he could go back to pot he was a way better person. I quit smoking pot a long time ago because it was illegal and when we smoked we became paranoid about getting caught. It could so help the economy people that have lost there jobs could open up smoke shops , and the tax money ,and the easing on the justice system , and the change for the police it could be a very good thing for us. As stated in another post I have never seen anyone steal for pot,become violent while smoking pot and it I wish that my father would have tried it while he was dying from cancer but no he could not because it was illegal and he and my mother had that preconcieved notion that it would make him flip out.
cannabis prohibition is about as irrational and insane and, just plain drunken, as it would be to prohibit growing and consuming tomatoes, or corn, or any of the other common grace blessings that are provided for our sustenance. When an individual crop can potentially power our cars, build our houses, feed and clothe the poor, alleviate the suffering of cancer victims, arrest the development of glaucoma, and stop a full blown asthma attack; only a blind, irrational, and drunken fool would think to not use it. God Bless, Jeff Lucas
What I haven't seen is an argument for the legalization of marijuana for its industrial usage as hemp. Hemp has so many uses that it alone would solve a good many financial problems of farmers, energy folks, oil folks etc. Of course, there is the old hackneyed thought that pot farmers will grow their plants amongst the hemp. Well, as a former farmer, I'll guarantee you that no pot farmer will grow their plants in hemp stands. Ask anybody conversant with genes and they'll tell you why not. Hemp seeds are nutritious, they have just about as much protein as peanuts. The fibers from the stalks can be used as biomass fuel, woven into clothes the list goes on and on. The polymers from hemp can be used to make car bodies (Henry Ford did this in 1938 for Christ sakes, why don't we do it now?). Oh, and if one were to smoke hemp, the buzz would be more like smoke inhalation as there is less THC in hemp then there is alcohol in near beer. Also, who the hell is the government, who subsidizes the booze industry, to tell anybody they can't smoke pot?
Has not anyone checked up on the most tolerant city in Europe lately? Amsterdam with it's very unhyprocritical tolerances of marijuana and other drugs has attracted violence and prostitution openly on the streets. And those of you who write give only the responsible side of the coin. You use it for your health or only once a day in place of a cigarette or glass of wine. But, you are not the mass of the population and obviously not the poor, depressed or teen wanting to do something a little off the wall. Marijuana leads most people to harder drug addictions, or for those who don't like to deal with the hardships of real life the possibility of being in a continuous stupor of tranquility. Add in prostitution and higher crime and you have one f#$%#d up state. Yes, marijuana smokers are mellow and unviolent but they also cannot hold a job with rose colored glasses on. There's enough people on welfare now, we don't need a whole entire state devoted to it. You argue that you can get pot already for your health and that you can grow it in your garden. You are not being oppressed. But to allow those who are less strong in their ability to use moral and ethical restraint to become possible victims of harder substances is not moral or ethical of you. If you drink or smoke in front of your children their risk of doing the same is greater than those who don't see it. Your right, there will always be pot smokers in homes, backrooms, and hidden away places. But this scenario has lead to medicinal purpose marijuana. If you get an inch don't take a mile. And until your ready to secede from the US don't get into such a frenzy. Most of the country does not agree with you and with California in the mess that its in, and looking for a bailout, some hope it would go away for awhile.
Yes people has checked and even though it does tolerate soft drugs and prostitution the crime rate is very low compared to USA per person and there is a state in USA that allows prostitution as well, not that is not prostitution in about every state already. Marijuana leads to other drugs is a scare tactic to keep it from being legalized. Just because some might have a problem is no reason not to legalize it alcohol is legal and the number that has a problem from that is humongous . Sorry to pick on you but I think you are looking through some colored glasses there are pot smokers in a lot of different walks of life in low paying to high paying jobs that, except for loss of job to drug test,are able to keep them. Actually more don't care then the ones for and against it combine. Its not the evil they are trying to say it is and before Reagan took office and Nancy started the "Just say no' campaign there was 10 states that de-criminalized it. Did you know that the reason it was made illegal in the first place was because of the migrant farm workers from south of the boarder?
Has any one else noticed that all the pot smokers are the ones who are saying its 'fine'??? Your high! What do you know?
One person said they have kids and grow pot. "Hey kids! Smoke your illigeal pot today?Goooooood. We're on the high life!"
Drug addicts. You'd have high criminals knocking on your door asking for weed. Your neighbors wouldn't be safe. You'd have high cops and drivers. Why not make drinking and driving legal too? How 'bout murder and robbery?
What I'm saying...You'd have high drivers (More accidents), high citizens (Possibly more killers or criminals), more rebelious people(yeah, it DOES matter if your high!),MORE FOREIGN DEALERS (armed drug cartels),and worse of all...HUGE INCREASES IN POPULATION! Millions would flood the U.S. looking for freedom/easy to get drugs.
Millions of immigrants=More criminals=More languages=More finacing for schools learning lanuguages=More communcation problems=Cheaper workers=Job loss=EVEN MORE finacl problems.
Think about it when your not high.
Who ever growes pot between tomatoes for there life is sick though. I can understand medical but come on...
hipduced you are so uneducated about this herb that you have no buisness commenting on it ! # 1 there has never been a murder from a person that was as you say high on pot. Will not happen. First place it does not make you aggressive. It calms and relaxes a person. # 2 do you know how marijuana got it's name and the classification as a drug ? Maybe you should do a little research and get better educated on the subject before commenting and making yourself look dumb . There are far more good things and uses for it than idiots trying to put it away .So put that in your pipe and smoke it !
Nope only you because its not just pot smokers that say its fine but the people around them and other non smokers too. Just because some one smokes pot does not mean they are high all the time, they know plenty.
I can't say there is not a chance you could have a stoner knocking at your door asking for weed just say no and they would go on their way but that does not mean anything to your neighbors unless they were loud and it was at night. You are joking right, High Cops? There are already laws on the book its called DUI - Driving Under the Influence - this is not just for alcohol also illegal and legal drugs, the rest is just plan stupid.
I don't think you know anything about stoners at all they are not like drunks or on Hard Core drugs so no there will not be more crime actually less crime for the thousands that are being arrested for a joint. If Pot is legalized there won't be a need for foreign dealers it grows just about Everywhere its already a large crop in CA. Unlike the Millions flooding to America looking for a better life? If they want drugs there are other countries that have more freedom/easy to get drugs like Canada.
Billions of dollars from the sale and taxes for schools.
I am not high now. If it was legal they would not have to. Can you understand for commercial use? There are probably hundreds of uses for Hemp(not Pot no THC)from rope,cloth,paper,bio-fuel,food and building materials.
Hey ya'll !!!! Read up! See Jack Herer's classic:
THE EMPEROR WEARS NO CLOTHES: THE AUTHORATATIVE HISTORICAL RECORD OF CANNABIS AND THE CONSPIRACY AGAINST MARIJUANA.
The (paperback) has been around for about 20 years, is very interesting, and gives the low-down on how mj became illegal in the first place.
Also, check out: DRCnet.org, MPP - Marijuana Policy Project, FAMM - Families Against Manditory Minimums, DPF - Drug Policy Foundation, and NORML = National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws; all organizations working to either decriminalize or at least lessen the harshness of our draconian penalties against drug use.
If every smoker sent in $5 to these organizations, they'd have a heckuva lot more money to work against the machine.
Peace, VW
I have 2 sisters that have smoked marijuana for many years. As a matter of fact they still do. I am 50 years old they are 2 and 5 years older then I am. I do not smoke the stuff. I don't think legalizing it is such a good idea. I feel that my sisters are not close to me because of the drug. I also feel that the easier you make it for people to get, the more families out there will feel the same.
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So now they are thinking
So now they are thinking about legalizing marijuana for financial reasons? What happened to the ethics of keeping it illegal? I am confused here. I am a supporter of marijuana legalization but I can't help of wondering how pointless it's illegality really is. After all the controversies gravitating around the drug apparently it's a matter of money, not ethics. Don't we have some smart politicians out there... Darrie, International Oddities
smoka da phatty
pass the lit bowl back to my firzzle and me bodizzle my smoke ---toke toke space invader on your carpets
Brittanicus do you consume?
Brittanicus... illegal immigration is a direct result of American consumerism. Think about your own actions before blaming others. You encourage those who seek better job opportunities by purchasing products from the company's that hire them. America was built on immigration illegal or not.
California Politicians are keeping quiet...?
SANCTUARY STATE OF CALIFORNIA! Why do you think this state has a $40 + billion dollar budget deficit? Because the Mayors of San Francisco and Los Angeles are pandering in government benefits to 3.7 million illegal aliens? Nothing is going to change until Californians demand the Federal E-Verify mandate. To long Taxpayers have been crippled by paying for free health care, education and a overloaded prison system. Governors Email: http://gov.ca.gov/interact or Phone: 916-445-2841 California State Legislature: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/yourleg.html Vote for WALTER MOORE as MAYOR FOR LOS ANGELES, as he against ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION and will KILL Special Order 40 and allow police to question a persons immigration status. WE THE PEOPLE, must decide our future? We can only blame ourselves if we sit and do NOTHING?
Legal Pot?
I agree that pot should be legalized. I'm a libertarian so I think all drugs should be legalized. There will be some good and some bad effects. Deal with it.
The author kind of glosses over one point. If marijuana is legal that $6000 pound of marijuana will no longer be worth $6000. It is the prohibition that forces the price that high.
If culivation no longer needs to be clandestine the plants will be grown on huge farms using the most modern of methods. So the price will drop considerably.
The State might want to tax it severely to jack the price back up to the prohibition levels since the market has shown that it will accept that price.
Legal Pot?
I am all for it but I do see one possible problem. Would it be legal to grow or just to have and use? Marijuana can grow wild just about everywhere and for the plants that are grown in a persons windowsill how would that be taxed? I don't see this as a big problem as the people that grow crops in their yard would have to claim any that they sell or the crop that is grown in fields would have to sell to a store for resale and taxed. Another idea, not just legalize Pot but Hemp that would be grown for commercial reasons. There are a vast number of uses but it can be smoked as well, you just can't get high off it, but it could be used as a tobacco substitute like other herbal cigarettes.
Marijuana in General
I totally agree with most of the individuals that have replied to this article. Marijuana, "POT", whichever one you would prefer to call it has one of the major roles in our society today. But my personal overall opinion about weed is that it should be legalized. I understand that they are many things that the government would have to consider, but it could be a major booster for our ecnomy. It seems to me that a lot of things that in this world are very backwards. There are a toll of car accidents, murders (including suicides) and other crimes that are committed because of one's addiction to the alcohol and other legal substances. Alcohol is one of the most poisonous drugs that there are in this world. I, myself, am a drinker with self control. The majority of the world smokes pot, and yet you really have not heard of anyone overdosing or have of the things that hear related with alcohol. It all ties back in to self-restraint and discipline. Also, the government will try and place a taxation on the weed, but it will not be possible because of the various sources. I think that it should be legalized, therefore it would finally make it easier for the CRIME STOPPERS to fill the jails and prisons with things of more concern!!!! you should not get more time for drugs than murder.
marijuana
I'm 60 yrs old & have been smoking herb since I turned 19 yrs old. That's quite a long time. And as for being addicted to it . I'm not at all addicted. I have never used it at a work place or during work. I have never used it while driving.I have only used it as a relaxing
moment after a hard day of labor. It helps me to go to sleep at knght. I have cancer ( not affiliated with smoking ) but from asbestos. It keeps me calm and not stressed out .And out of 41 yrs of use My lungs are as pink as a new baby's lungs. I have never missed a day of work because of smoking it. I have only applied for unemployment one time in my life. I have quit smoking it 3 times for over 4 yrs at a time. So all you educated people who know so much about this herb. It's not a drug.It's a great herb that all should try once in life.
dope plus
Let's follow the CA legislature's example and legalize Prostitution and Dopes. If it's good enough for politics it's good enough for the state. Maybe the state can make as much money as the CA government.
In response to Hipduced and soulsister
I believe many people really do not have a full understanding or even the slightest clue as to what "pot heads" or whatever you want to call us beliefs lie. It seems for the most part every one has their own preconceived notions that will only hold ground to their beliefs. If you would like to really know where our stance lies on the topic of legalization it can be found at norml.org. Set aside from norml, I believe many individuals are not addicted to marijuana. They may find a void in their life, concision or unconscious decision and seek refuge. Marijuana appears to have become a fast track. This may incline a person to seek a further absence from society (leading to harder drugs) but to claim that marijuana is the solo or main reason is profound. These cases do not start with the drug but with the individual in itself. And it would not surprise me if in these cases that one of the parental figures is absent or better yet incarcerated. Is it within reason that one of the parental figures is incarcerated for marijuana charges? Surely, but is that the majority? Far from it but without a doubt our prison system is loaded with petite marijuana offenders. Thanks to our tax payers and an over crowed prison system, our governments' priorities do not lie with the future but with the current containment of drug offenders. We will continue to go in circles until the bigger question is answered. How do we improve our standards and way of life so these individuals in the first place are not trying to escape? By putting all sights and aims on marijuana has proved little progress. Our way of life in the United States is at a teetering point; it must be answered. In my opinion the reason the United States is such a great place to live in is that we can be so effective when we put our heads together that we can truly produce something amazing. But for execution and follow through it is all for shit. Charlie Wilson said it best after our use for the Middle East was consumed, “We fucked it up.” And now we wonder why tensions are so high. Poor leadership yields poor outcome. And it will continue and continue because the one thing that resigns above all: Everyone holds their own preconceived notations that will only hold ground to their beliefs. You have your mind made up; I tend to keep mine open and as cliché as it may sound, smoking pot helps. Hope you enjoyed ;)
In response to Hipduced and soulsister
I agree with you, enjoi017, there are a lot of people that already have their mind set and not willing to change them. I too have an open mind although I too have have my mind set but open to listening to other ideas. I have heard that pot helps in keeping an open mind but there is trend growing that pot helps to see past the smoke and mirrors of the hypsters that try to use unfounded scare tactics and BS to get people to think and believe their way. Its the same way with second hand smoke and Cigars and Pipe smokers which is vastly different then cigarettes.
legalize pot
Has anyone noticed that in Europe where drinking is not mystified like it is here in the US that they have a lower rate of alcoholism? The same stands true for smoking pot in Amsterdam. In the US we have made certain things such as marijuana (among other drugs) and alcohol more appealing by restricting them. Children think they are being cool by experimenting with these items at a young age because there is a mystery to them. The younger the children start using these substances, the more likely they are to have problems with the substances or try other drugs later in life. Why not take away the appeal and decrease the number of addicts in the next generation? Besides some very dangerous substances are perfectly legal in the US. We have generations of pill poppers and alcoholics and no one has restricted those items.
Pot in CA & America
Come on people, even my conservative mom thinks no one- especially Micheal Phelps- should go to jail for pot.
Many of our older family members have used it to help with chemotherapy and other ailments.
I see a lot of people on here
I see a lot of people on here just saying how pot is a gateway drug and it makes people like zombies and you cant hold a job. I have heard all this before when I smoked when I was in college. about 80% of the kids in college smoke occasionally or all the time. I personally smoked every day and I held a job for years while I went to school. I also went to school full time and got good grades and so did 90% of my other friend who smoked every day. the only reason i quit is because I needed a job after i graduated. After smoking every day i quit cold turkey and have never smoked since. i don't crave it or anything. I would never smoke and risk loosing my job. All of my other friends i have kept in touch with have done the same. All the people who sit there and talk about how bad it is are always the people who never smoked all the time. the first week or so of smoking does make you a zombie but after the first week your fully functional. as far as them making it legal It could be done they would just have to regulate the driving by making a limit and finding away to test it. How is smoking any different than drinking if its done in moderation. 98% of Americans illegally drive drunk at one point in time and take that risk im sure it would be the same with pot but the penalty would have be just as strict as dwi.
What he fails to mention in
What he fails to mention in the article are additional savings from a move like this:
According to a 2005 study 2/3s of the prison population in California are for NONVIOLENT drug offenses. This means no guns, no assault, no murder, just possession/possession with intent to sell etc. This does not account for the vast numbers of people in the parole system which, because of felony nonviolent drug charges are prohibted from being able to seek meaningful employment.
In 2005 there were 168,000 inmates incarcerated in the state of California. This equates to approximately 110550 people in CA that are imprisoned for nonviolent drug offenses.
The average cost (not counting health care/education/etc) for keeping a person in a California prison is in excess of $45k per year. This means that the CA state taxpayer pays $4,974,750,000, per year. Not counting recurring costs of maintaining these prisons, the payroll of all officials, and the bloated contracts that are tied into it. Not to mention the state welfare payments etc that are made. $5 Billion dollars, per year.
We most likely, given the above numbers could cut off btw 5 and 10 billion dollars from the state budget deficit. When we look at different surveys (which are of course incomplete and not 100% accurate) some 20% of adults in the United States smoke mj on a regular basis. If that were what it is in California (I would wager CA is a bit higher than the national average :P) we are looking at over 6 million adults that recreationally use the substance. If the state could get $500 per user per year thats $3 Billion dollars.
Then all of the infrastructure that goes into it and the non inhibriating uses for the plant and it could well cut the deficit in half, if not more.
and btw. No, I do not use any drugs, I am not high and have not been so for nearly a decade now. Though I have been a strong supporter of the legalization of this substance for over 20 years :)
Pot in America
I believe that it should be legalized through the United States, It would make money for all states and help with the budgets for all when they let out the people in jail for pot crimes, I use to like to smoke to help me sleep at night, my husband had to give it up because of drug testing at his jobs , now he is an alcoholic, because he had to change his drug of choice so that we would not lose everything if he failed a drug test. My husband is a better person when he is high compared to when he is drunk, he never got mean when he smoked and he was very creative and got a lot done , now that he is a drunk he does not get as creative and his mood swings are bad, he is a functioning alcoholic , I wish he could go back to pot he was a way better person. I quit smoking pot a long time ago because it was illegal and when we smoked we became paranoid about getting caught. It could so help the economy people that have lost there jobs could open up smoke shops , and the tax money ,and the easing on the justice system , and the change for the police it could be a very good thing for us. As stated in another post I have never seen anyone steal for pot,become violent while smoking pot and it I wish that my father would have tried it while he was dying from cancer but no he could not because it was illegal and he and my mother had that preconcieved notion that it would make him flip out.
drunkenness
cannabis prohibition is about as irrational and insane and, just plain drunken, as it would be to prohibit growing and consuming tomatoes, or corn, or any of the other common grace blessings that are provided for our sustenance. When an individual crop can potentially power our cars, build our houses, feed and clothe the poor, alleviate the suffering of cancer victims, arrest the development of glaucoma, and stop a full blown asthma attack; only a blind, irrational, and drunken fool would think to not use it. God Bless, Jeff Lucas
legalize it
What I haven't seen is an argument for the legalization of marijuana for its industrial usage as hemp. Hemp has so many uses that it alone would solve a good many financial problems of farmers, energy folks, oil folks etc. Of course, there is the old hackneyed thought that pot farmers will grow their plants amongst the hemp. Well, as a former farmer, I'll guarantee you that no pot farmer will grow their plants in hemp stands. Ask anybody conversant with genes and they'll tell you why not. Hemp seeds are nutritious, they have just about as much protein as peanuts. The fibers from the stalks can be used as biomass fuel, woven into clothes the list goes on and on. The polymers from hemp can be used to make car bodies (Henry Ford did this in 1938 for Christ sakes, why don't we do it now?). Oh, and if one were to smoke hemp, the buzz would be more like smoke inhalation as there is less THC in hemp then there is alcohol in near beer. Also, who the hell is the government, who subsidizes the booze industry, to tell anybody they can't smoke pot?
California the next Amsterdam?
Has not anyone checked up on the most tolerant city in Europe lately? Amsterdam with it's very unhyprocritical tolerances of marijuana and other drugs has attracted violence and prostitution openly on the streets. And those of you who write give only the responsible side of the coin. You use it for your health or only once a day in place of a cigarette or glass of wine. But, you are not the mass of the population and obviously not the poor, depressed or teen wanting to do something a little off the wall. Marijuana leads most people to harder drug addictions, or for those who don't like to deal with the hardships of real life the possibility of being in a continuous stupor of tranquility. Add in prostitution and higher crime and you have one f#$%#d up state. Yes, marijuana smokers are mellow and unviolent but they also cannot hold a job with rose colored glasses on. There's enough people on welfare now, we don't need a whole entire state devoted to it. You argue that you can get pot already for your health and that you can grow it in your garden. You are not being oppressed. But to allow those who are less strong in their ability to use moral and ethical restraint to become possible victims of harder substances is not moral or ethical of you. If you drink or smoke in front of your children their risk of doing the same is greater than those who don't see it. Your right, there will always be pot smokers in homes, backrooms, and hidden away places. But this scenario has lead to medicinal purpose marijuana. If you get an inch don't take a mile. And until your ready to secede from the US don't get into such a frenzy. Most of the country does not agree with you and with California in the mess that its in, and looking for a bailout, some hope it would go away for awhile.
California the next Amsterdam?
Yes people has checked and even though it does tolerate soft drugs and prostitution the crime rate is very low compared to USA per person and there is a state in USA that allows prostitution as well, not that is not prostitution in about every state already. Marijuana leads to other drugs is a scare tactic to keep it from being legalized. Just because some might have a problem is no reason not to legalize it alcohol is legal and the number that has a problem from that is humongous . Sorry to pick on you but I think you are looking through some colored glasses there are pot smokers in a lot of different walks of life in low paying to high paying jobs that, except for loss of job to drug test,are able to keep them. Actually more don't care then the ones for and against it combine. Its not the evil they are trying to say it is and before Reagan took office and Nancy started the "Just say no' campaign there was 10 states that de-criminalized it. Did you know that the reason it was made illegal in the first place was because of the migrant farm workers from south of the boarder?
Addict America
Has any one else noticed that all the pot smokers are the ones who are saying its 'fine'??? Your high! What do you know?
One person said they have kids and grow pot. "Hey kids! Smoke your illigeal pot today?Goooooood. We're on the high life!"
Drug addicts. You'd have high criminals knocking on your door asking for weed. Your neighbors wouldn't be safe. You'd have high cops and drivers. Why not make drinking and driving legal too? How 'bout murder and robbery?
What I'm saying...You'd have high drivers (More accidents), high citizens (Possibly more killers or criminals), more rebelious people(yeah, it DOES matter if your high!),MORE FOREIGN DEALERS (armed drug cartels),and worse of all...HUGE INCREASES IN POPULATION! Millions would flood the U.S. looking for freedom/easy to get drugs.
Millions of immigrants=More criminals=More languages=More finacing for schools learning lanuguages=More communcation problems=Cheaper workers=Job loss=EVEN MORE finacl problems.
Think about it when your not high.
Who ever growes pot between tomatoes for there life is sick though. I can understand medical but come on...
addict america
hipduced you are so uneducated about this herb that you have no buisness commenting on it ! # 1 there has never been a murder from a person that was as you say high on pot. Will not happen. First place it does not make you aggressive. It calms and relaxes a person. # 2 do you know how marijuana got it's name and the classification as a drug ? Maybe you should do a little research and get better educated on the subject before commenting and making yourself look dumb . There are far more good things and uses for it than idiots trying to put it away .So put that in your pipe and smoke it !
Addict America
Nope only you because its not just pot smokers that say its fine but the people around them and other non smokers too. Just because some one smokes pot does not mean they are high all the time, they know plenty.
I can't say there is not a chance you could have a stoner knocking at your door asking for weed just say no and they would go on their way but that does not mean anything to your neighbors unless they were loud and it was at night. You are joking right, High Cops? There are already laws on the book its called DUI - Driving Under the Influence - this is not just for alcohol also illegal and legal drugs, the rest is just plan stupid.
I don't think you know anything about stoners at all they are not like drunks or on Hard Core drugs so no there will not be more crime actually less crime for the thousands that are being arrested for a joint. If Pot is legalized there won't be a need for foreign dealers it grows just about Everywhere its already a large crop in CA. Unlike the Millions flooding to America looking for a better life? If they want drugs there are other countries that have more freedom/easy to get drugs like Canada.
Billions of dollars from the sale and taxes for schools.
I am not high now. If it was legal they would not have to. Can you understand for commercial use? There are probably hundreds of uses for Hemp(not Pot no THC)from rope,cloth,paper,bio-fuel,food and building materials.
"Audacity of Dope" 02/15/09
Hey ya'll !!!! Read up! See Jack Herer's classic:
THE EMPEROR WEARS NO CLOTHES: THE AUTHORATATIVE HISTORICAL RECORD OF CANNABIS AND THE CONSPIRACY AGAINST MARIJUANA.
The (paperback) has been around for about 20 years, is very interesting, and gives the low-down on how mj became illegal in the first place.
Also, check out: DRCnet.org, MPP - Marijuana Policy Project, FAMM - Families Against Manditory Minimums, DPF - Drug Policy Foundation, and NORML = National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws; all organizations working to either decriminalize or at least lessen the harshness of our draconian penalties against drug use.
If every smoker sent in $5 to these organizations, they'd have a heckuva lot more money to work against the machine.
Peace, VW
I have 2 sisters that have
I have 2 sisters that have smoked marijuana for many years. As a matter of fact they still do. I am 50 years old they are 2 and 5 years older then I am. I do not smoke the stuff. I don't think legalizing it is such a good idea. I feel that my sisters are not close to me because of the drug. I also feel that the easier you make it for people to get, the more families out there will feel the same.