Sue This School
Should a college pay when a grad can't find a job? This one should.
By Mark Gimein
Posted Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 4:57pm
Have you heard the joke about the new grad suing her college because she can't find a job? There's a good chance you have. First reported by the New York Post, the story gained juice last week when it was picked up by New York's TV stations and by CNN's Prime News, where anchor Mike Galanos shook his head in amusement and told viewers, "I don't see how this one can be legit." The Onion satirized it; countless blogs chimed in to label Trina Thompson, the 27-year-old who filed the lawsuit, an idiot or worse; and even the Chronicle of Higher Education, a publication not known for its sense of humor, got in its digs.
But the more you know about Thompson and the school she's suing, the more likely it is that you might start thinking that whatever her chances of winning in court, she's right. The story of Thompson's suit isn't a one-liner about a grad too naive to know that graduating from college doesn't guarantee a job. It's a story about what "college" means and about marginal, for-profit "colleges" that squeeze four years of fees from their students and leave them with all the debt and little of the education or prospects that they counted on.
Trina Thompson's alma mater, Monroe College, is well-known to New York City commuters, thanks to glossy ads that festoon the insides (and sometimes the outside) of many subway cars. It has less of a presence, however, outside the New York public transit system. You will not find it in, say, the U.S. News list of 1,400 colleges. You will not find its average SAT scores listed on its Web site or anywhere else (they're not required for admission), nor will you find lists of publications by the scholars on its faculty.
Monroe's history dates back to 1933, when it started as the "Monroe School of Business." Thirty years later, keeping up with the changing fashions, it became the "Monroe Business Institute," and in 1990, it became "Monroe College." Though it is called a "college" and offers bachelor's and even master's degrees, Monroe does not offer degrees in the kinds of areas-say, English, economics, or the natural sciences-that most people associate with "college." Instead, it offers degrees in business administration, criminal justice, and medical assistance. It has a hospitality management program with for-credit classes in artisan bread baking and the workings of a hotel front desk. Meanwhile, Monroe's math offerings stop at the calculus level of a decent high school.
A description of Monroe that you will not find on its Web site is one that Thompson herself-who spoke to me reluctantly after the drubbing she's taken in the press-proffered: "a vocational school." Monroe is what the education industry euphemistically terms a "proprietary institution" or, in ordinary language, a for-profit school. It is accredited as a college by the regional organization responsible for these things-a fact that an offended Monroe spokesman confronted with Thompson's words insisted meant Monroe must be a college and not merely a "vocational school." But it does not by any stretch of the imagination exist for the sake of the advancement of learning. The relationship between Monroe and its students is more bluntly commercial: The students pay Monroe money in the hope that it will increase their chances of landing a decent job in a world in which the magic words bachelor's degree have become a requirement.
For the education it offers, Monroe charges tuition of $5,872 a semester (including a $400 "administrative fee"). For comparison, the City University of New York, whose Lehman College campus is not far from Monroe and offers the range of academic programs in the arts and sciences that most people expect of a college, charges $2,300 for in-state students; the local community colleges cost less. The education that Monroe offers is geared toward what is ostensibly valuable in the work world. Trina Thompson told me that her courses included classes in Word, Excel, and Web design; in the course catalog, you'll find even more basic offerings, including a college credit course in "keyboarding."
The very point of an institution like Monroe is to improve its students' standing in the work force, but the irony is that in comparison with traditional institutions, Monroe seems to do quite badly at helping graduates make a living. One measure of the cost-effectiveness of Monroe versus other institutions is the number of graduates who wind up defaulting on their loans. At Binghamton University, the flagship campus of New York's public system, 1.5 percent of students default on their loans. At Lehman, a school with average SAT math plus verbal scores around 870 (well below the national average for college freshman), the number is 3.2 percent.
At Monroe the numbers are much worse. Of the students who were to start repaying their loans in 2006, 9.5 percent are already in default. That's three times higher than at nearby Lehman and 80 percent higher than the national average of 5.2% (a number that is itself elevated by the dismal record of for-profit schools like Monroe).
Countless people have taken the trouble to set Thompson straight on comment boards, blogs, and even YouTube videos, the vast majority of them operating under the prevailing assumption that higher education has never guaranteed a job-a principle attested to by the glut of unemployed Ph.Ds. But even the critics notice the difference between "college" and trade schools whose very purpose is a stepping stone to employment. As David Seaman, who posted a video commentary on l'affaire Thompson on the "citizen journalism" site iReport puts it, "It's not as if she went to school to be a mechanic and was guaranteed some sort of job straight out of school. A liberal arts education is there to make you a more educated and aware citizen."
As should be very clear to anyone who's taken a look at what Monroe College is really about, however, what's at stake is not a "liberal arts" education as anybody understands it. The difference between what Thompson was offered and what a traditional vocational school-the kind of "business institute" that Monroe once billed itself as-proposes comes down mainly to her education taking longer, costing more, and offering far less certain outcomes.
The magic word here is college. By presenting itself as a "college," Monroe and similar institutions achieve the neat trick of offering a lot less for a lot more money. Hardly anyone would blink at the notion that an unhappy, unemployed graduate might sue a trade school for getting a raw deal. But by transmuting itself into a "college," Monroe can siphon four full years of tuition from its students and at the end of it all dance away from any commitment, implicit or explicit, to find its students jobs because that's not what a "college education" is about.
There are those who will say that in choosing colleges, as in so much else, the principle of caveat emptor applies. But the whole thrust of the promotion of schools like Monroe-down to its bragging about a "division one" baseball team (that's Division I in the junior college league, not the NCAA, though you wouldn't know it from Monroe's ads) is to obscure the distinctions between a Monroe and traditional nonprofit schools dedicated to higher education. This they do quite successfully: If CNN can't tell the difference, it's not a surprise that young entering students can't, either.
What do you do with a problem like Monroe? There is no easy solution. Regional accrediting organizations whose imprimatur Monroe and other schools depend on could tighten their definitions of what a college-level education is, but they've shown no impulse to do so. Cutting federal aid for students at schools with high loan default rates would shut off much of the money that flows to marginal institutions, but unfortunately, experience shows that even as the worst schools close, new ones spring up.
Regulation hasn't made bad schools get better or go away. The likelihood as things stand now is that litigation won't, either, since the word college, with its promise of education for its own sake, may well be in the courts, as it has been in the press, the trump card that excuses all the failings of Monroe and its ilk. But it's hard to fault Thompson for trying.
Right now, Thompson's computer is broken, her cell phone is shut off, and she's willing to take a job as a file clerk if she can find that. She filed the lawsuit herself; she has no lawyer, and needed a waiver of the court fees. There's really not much humor in this. Nobody-including Thompson-claims that she was ever a stellar student. But her lawsuit shows that at least she's smart enough to know when she's been had. That's more than can be said for the well-educated folks in the press who see the word college and jump up to defend an institution like Monroe with all the fervor of freshman singing the grand old songs at their first football game.
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employed because I was laid off a few months ago, and then I found that
nobody really cares if you have (or are close to) a Master's degree
when there are thousands of unemployed people with Master's degrees
already. I'm up to my ears in debt because, in my opinion, my
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I have seen numerous schools
I have seen numerous schools like this advertised. They pay for these glossy ads, commercials, mostly late night placements and mailings. If Monroe, like most of their kind, stated that they guiarantee job placement, therein lies the issue. I myself have always wondered how ny self respecting "college" can guarantee job placement. I have discouraged these types of places for a long while as nothing but a money making scheme with no real chances of offering a real education that could lead to gainful employment. Their tuitions, as pointed out, are astronomical in comparison to community and state colleges. As the old adage goes, buyer beware!
College Credit Courses
Just one small comment re: the college credit course - Following is a list of courses offered for credit at some "traditional" colleges. Mr. Gimein would like to comment???
EXCERPT FROM THE CHRONICLE
July 27, 2009
Curriculum
5 Courses We Wish We Could Take
By Ashley C. Killough
Every week colleges send us descriptions of their unique courses, and every week we write back to say, "Sorry, we've already taken all our electives."
But we're fans of courses with a hook, so here are five we'd enroll in if we had the time, tuition money, and proper prerequisites. As unusual and diverse as these courses are, they all have one thing in common: a waiting list.
Cornell U.
"Tree Climbing"
Instructor: Mark B. Holton, director of outdoor programs and risk management for outdoor education
What you'll need: a love for high places
The course: It's a childhood hobby with a collegiate touch. In five weeks, students learn to scale trees using security ropes, reaching branches 80 feet above ground, or, if taking the course abroad, in Costa Rica, as high as 160 feet—monkeys included. The final class includes a sleepover, during which students dine, play games, and catch some Z's among the leaves. The instructor is eminently qualified; Mr. Holton lived in a tree for three years.
Florida Community College at Jacksonville
"Ghost Stories"
Instructor: Tim A. Gilmore, professor of English
What you'll need: A night light
The course: A staple of campfires, ghost stories have terrified us for generations. Students in Mr. Gilmore's class take a serious look at both the role the stories play in literature and the cultural influences that haunt society today. But the professor skirts the big question: Are ghosts real? "I personally don't believe in them," he says with a laugh. "I hope that's not a letdown."
Alfred U.
"Maple Syrup: The Real Thing"
Instructor: Laurie L. McFadden, librarian and university archivist
What you'll need: Dental insurance
The course: "There's so much you can do with maple syrup besides put it on pancakes," says Ms. McFadden. In this honors course, students take an interdisciplinary approach to the sappy New England trademark. Among the assignments: tapping trees, writing maple haiku, taking field trips, studying the syrup's molecular makeup, and, of course, baking some mapleicious treats.
Oregon State U.
"Far Side Entomology"
Instructor: Michael Burgett, emeritus professor of entomology
What you'll need: A sense of humor about bugs
The course: More than 20 years ago, Mr. Burgett, who studies honeybees, wanted to put together an entomological course that would make people smile. And with Far Side cartoons hanging on half his colleagues' office doors, he found his textbook. Using bugs featured in comic strips, he challenges students to explore the relationship between humans and earth's six-legged creatures. "I hope they leave the class appreciating that a bug is more than a bug," he says.
Centre College
"Art of Walking"
Instructor: Ken Keffer, professor of French and German
What you'll need: A sturdy pair of boots
The course: A normal day in the three-week course consists of two hours of philosophy in the morning and three hours of walking in the Kentucky woods during the afternoon. Distances can reach 14 miles through rain, shine, or snow—Mr. Keffer wants his students to appreciate all types of weather. And directional skills are a must. The syllabus clearly states that "getting lost is discouraged."
Accrediting isssue
Wait a minute. This sounds like a regulatory issue. The law suit should be directed toward the regulatory or rather accrediting body. Isn't that who, ultimately positioned Monroe as a college?
What exactly are the qualifications that schools need to meet to be called a "college". I know it has something to do with professors and library books and offerings - but perhaps that is where the fault lies - maybe we need new definitions in a world where "a college degree" is the new high school diploma.
Um...yes
If it's no secret that for profit colleges are giant ripoffs, then I for one don't see why we shouldn't clamp down on them. Aservice that peddles false hope to make a quick buck is all the more repulisive for merrily ignoring what awful suffering they are inflicting.
Gimien's article makes absurd
Gimien's article makes absurd judgments from afar. Did he talk to other graduates from Monroe? Did he visit the school? Does he know if Trina Thompson's claims are valid? Or is he basing his entire analysis on her individual disatisfaction (which will never stand up in court) and a cursory reading of the college's web site?
Further, does he know if Monroe College has legions of students and graduates who have received a proper education and have had their lives and careers significantly improved as a result?
I work in administration at a different college and we view irresponsible tabloid journalists like Gimien as a real threat to young people's opportunity to advance. He's a fear-monger of the highest order.
The movement in education today is in career-orineted training. This is evident at the high school level across the country and in NY City where the Mayor just today allocated millions to improve career training in public colleges, ironically to follow Monroe's lead.
Gimien complains that Monroe doesn't have majors in traditional academic subjects. Following his model for higher education, the unemployment rate would soar. At least schools like Monroe are giving people a chance at estbalishing careers and leading productive lives.
Oh, how familiar the tune...
I went to a for-profit school, but one that only offered associate degrees and certificate programs. I went for a massage therapy certificate. There were forty-five people in my class the first night. At the end of the first quarter, there were twenty-three of us. Twelve people graduated from the program, six people passed the (very difficult) written exam to get a license, four of us found jobs as massage therapists and now, four years later, as far as I know one of us (me) is still working in the industry. A year later, another class of massage therapists sued the school (and settled out of court), saying that they hadn't received an adequate education to pass the licensure exam. Something seems wrong about "for-profit" education. I've just heard too many stories like Miss Thompson's for it to be a coincidence; these schools are a little bit of a problem.
No sense of humor?
The Chronicle of Higher Education has no sense of humor? Well, no -- not about Trina Thompson's sad tale, anyhow. One of our Brainstorm bloggers, an English prof at Emory U., wrote an item about Thompson's story (http://chronicle.com/blogPost/Student-to-School-You-Owe/7592/), but it was a dig aimed squarely at his fellow educators, not students.
Meantime, we like to think that we do have a sense of humor. Please judge for yourselves: http://chronicle.com/blog/tweed/2/
Don Troop
Senior Editor, Tweed/Short Subjects
The Chronicle of Higher Education
Good article but....
"A liberal arts education is there to make you a more educated and aware citizen." has to be one of the silliest statements I have read in a long time. Having two degrees, I can say that I have yet to meet a student who was there to become a more aware citizen. Everybody goes to college because a degree is needed to acheive any traction in the job market.
If you don't want to go to vocational school, you go to college. Otherwise, nobody will hire you in the white collar sector.
Ideals are nice, but education is a business and nothing more.
I'd love to sue my schools
I'm in my last semester of my MBA. My undergraduate is from the University of Missouri, and my graduate school is a private Jesuit university. I'll leave college in debt to my ears, and self-employed. I'm self employed because I was laid off a few months ago, and then I found that nobody really cares if you have (or are close to) a Master's degree when there are thousands of unemployed people with Master's degrees already. I'm up to my ears in debt because, in my opinion, my undergraduate school took advantage of me when I was 19 and enrolled. They were offering me loans that amounted to tens-of-thousands of dollars more than tuition (If a school says that it's cost of attendants is $20,000 per year, then about $15,000 of that is living expenses, not tuition or books). I was a kid, I knew nothing -- I took all the money they'd give me. By the time I had learned enough to know better, it was too late and I owed the University more than a good paying job pays in a year. And in the end, I'm not sure of what I learned. My MBA program has been more useful than the undergraduate work, but there wasn't anything I couldn't have learned on my own, simply by doing. It's all a big rip off, perpetuated greatly by corporate assholes who won't talk to anyone about a job unless they've paid their dues at college. It's a ticket to the old boys club, and nothing more. Unfortunately, there's too many unemployed old boys right now for that to be of much value.
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