Been Burned by Yelp? Tell Your Story.

Been Burned by Yelp? Tell Your Story.


Posted Thursday, May 7, 2009 - 2:18pm

When I began working on my recently published "Rebel Yelp" article, I came across repeated comments online by business owners and reviewers who called into question Yelp's comment-deletion policy. Specifically, there were many claims about a "pay to play" policy at Yelp that supposedly works like this: Business listings on Yelp are provided for free. But unless businesses become Yelp advertisers, at a cost of around $300 a month, their reviews are rearranged and even deleted to accentuate the most negative ratings. And the Yelp salespeople allegedly threatening these actions are described as persistent, to put it mildly.

The most recent update of this controversy can be found at the Register, but the definitive story was written by the East Bay Express' Kathleen Richards back in February. Unfortunately, as Ms. Richards explains, "Many business owners ... feel so threatened by Yelp's power to harm their business that they declined to be interviewed unless their identities were concealed."

The anonymous nature of the article caused Yelp's CEO, Jeremy Stoppelman, to blog his disagreement. Stoppelman also links to several follow-ups by other media that seem to debunk many of the allegations in Richards' article. He even says that Richards retreats from her own claims in the last few paragraphs of her piece. It's not for me to judge Richards' reporting, but I can certainly conduct some research on my own.

So here's an invitation to the commenters on my story and anywhere else on the Internet to participate in The Big Money's Jack Schafer-style bunking or debunking of the claim that Yelp manipulates its comments. There are rules to participate. The main one of which is that you have to give me enough data to validate your claim. The anonymous angle on this story has run its course. So e-mail me at p+yelp@smalera.com with the following information:

  • Your Yelp account profile or business page
  • Your exact complaint, whether it be a deleted review, unfair ordering of reviews, mistreatment after leaving or deciding not to join the advertising program, or any similar motive-based altering of your data on Yelp. The more links and documentation, the better.

What I'll do is try to verify what you tell me, which may include, after other means, asking Yelp to provide information. I have not run this idea by Yelp, either, so I don't know what their response or cooperation level will be. While I won't publish any details that aren't needed to explain the situation, this will not be an anonymous exercise. Part of the reason I gave short shrift to claims of unfairness in my Yelp article was because so many of them seemed based in anonymity or apocrypha.

And let me reveal my own theory, which is that I think Yelp is simply a different animal than most merchants are used to dealing with. Therefore it's easy to be hypersensitive about Yelp's algorithmic commenting moderation system, which is surely among the most advanced I've ever seen, and to be alarmed by the near-daily fluctuations—sort of like watching a stock ticker too closely.

  • Paul Smalera has written for Condé Nast Portfolio, The New York Times and The New York Observer among others. He blogs at true/slant.

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Yelp Extortion

The slant of this article is not surprising given Smalera’s other recent cheerleading article for Yelp: (http://trueslant.com/paulsmalera/2009/05/08/have-newspaper-executives-he... ) in which he criticizes and condemns newspaper executives for not investing in Yelp. The article notably lacks any explanation for Smalera’s passionate concern that Yelp receive more money from investors. Perhaps potential investors' judgment is not clouded by whatever relationship with Yelp or Stoppelman Smalera suffers from. Smalera cites only the first East Bay Express article (one of eight) as referring to anonymous sources. Unfortunately for his readers, he seems not to have noticed Kathleen Richards’ second article published one month later: (http://www.eastbayexpress.com/news/yelp_extortion_allegations_stack_up/C... ) that cites numerous business owners (by name) who have been attacked by Yelp. The article addresses all of Stoppelman’s complaints which Smalera dutifully repeats here, months later. Why point to the first article, but not the second which directly addresses his and Stoppelman’s concerns regarding anonymity, before declaring valiantly that he will “conduct some research on my own”. Perhaps, as part of his “research”, Smalera should acquaint himself with the already existing articles regarding Yelp’s Extortion. Unless, of course, his aim is to muddy the waters in an attempt to rescue Yelp’s ruined reputation. And what about the continuing irony of Stoppelman, Yelp and all it’s cheerleaders like Smalera repeatedly bleating that the anonymity of Yelp’s detractors makes their claims dubious, while blithely expecting that the near total anonymity of all Yelp contributors be accepted without question? How does that work? Is there a switch in Smalera and Stoppelman’s brains that the rest of us lack? Finally, it is noteworthy that while Smalera, after cherry picking facts for his articles, attempts to goad small business owners with complaints about Yelp’s extortion and lies into revealing themselves to him and to Yelp. These people, having already experienced the damaging power carelessly exercised by Yelp executives in their thirst for greater profits, are expected to reveal themselves and expose their businesses to even more financial damage at the hands of Stoppelman and Yelp. So they take all the risks, and another apologist for Yelp can further cherry pick the facts and write a followup article proclaiming (again) his already obvious opinion of Yelp? Why would anyone do that?

YELP killing good businesses

Lets get down to the bottom line. Yelp raised $31,000,000. from venture capitalists, they didn't give them that monie to do a social good, they expect a return on their investment. Yelpers pay nothing to put their comments on line, so where is the money to come from to pat back the VC's .   It comes from the same business that they have done reviews on, if all the refiews were good, then why pay the $6000./yr. So it works for them to put, or pay people(which they admit to) to do reviews. They have tried to ruin my business that has been around for over 25years, with reviews from people who don't know what we do, have never been to the business, make fase assumptions, and out right lie. All the good reviews from people thru the years have been clients are removed by them. A person can call you names, being insulting and even use vulger terms, and yelp see nothing wrong with it, incuding the "F" word.  But, buy their $6000 12 months sponership deal, and get told " ...and I will see what can be done about getting the negatives reviews removed"I f you try and respond to a review, the business is given just one time, and limited to 250 words to respond, but the reviewer is given as many times as they want, to knock what you have said, and make you sound like an idiot ...YELP is destroying busines, evenmy Dentist busines has been hurt by yelp, after he refused to become a sponsor and pay $12,000/year.  SOMETHING MUST BE DONE TO STOP THIS RIP-OFF

How I got banned by Yelp

My name is Robert Dall I write a coffee blog in Vancouver Canada. I joined Yelp weeks ago just to see what it was all about, and was asked by a staff member to share my two years of coffee related knowledge. With in 48 hours I was banned from the site. . . . I don't really care that I got banned, I just think the how and why is one interesting story. . . http://coffeevancouver.ca/2009/05/06/how-i-got-banned-from-yelp/ and the follow up http://coffeevancouver.ca/2009/05/07/transparency-of-a-review/

Been there done that. You

Been there done that. You should read Kathleen Richards' follow-up Yelp story: http://www.eastbayexpress.com/news/yelp_extortion_allegations_stack_up/C...

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